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Skeptical Questions About Water Ionizers?

Questions inspired by Chem1.com
Answers offered by Heartspring.net

Pure water can not be ionized?

Pure water only exists in a laboratory, distilled and de-ionized. "Pure" water is an electrical insulator. However, in nature, alkaline mineral water exists as an "ionic solution" containing, calcium, magnesium, potassium, and sodium, helping to provide a self-inducing electric circuit.

Nature creates high quality drinking water that is alkaline and electrically charged.

Water flowing across a surface produces electricity. In nature streams, rivers, and aquifers, churn and channel under pressure, yet water tends to stick to non-conductive, electrically grounded, surfaces such as rocks and fissures. The stretching force between the sticking and flowing molecules produce a range of naturally occuring electrostatic charge densities.

See also: Spring water electrically charged. and Water custers myth?

"Claims that "ionized" waters are antioxidants are untrue?

Reduced electrolyzed water has been shown to scavenge and neutralize active oxygen species called free radicals. "Oxygen Reduction Potential," (ORP), determines a substance's redox value, measured in milli-volts. Reduced water with a redox potential of -200 milli-volts or more, has the ability to donate hydrogen electrons to neutralize oxygen radicals while protecting DNA from damage. The study was published by the peer-reviewed journal, Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications.

Many otherpeer review journals have also published research studying the health effects of electrolyzed water.

Alkaline electrolyzed water research would never be accepted in main stream journals?

The "peer review" process does not rely on one person's opinion. Especially if that person is educated by an unrelated field of study. The peer-review process relies on the consensus of a group, educated in the same field they are reviewing, free of any financial ties to data outcomes.

The science publisher Elsevier offers a description, "Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications is the premier international journal devoted to the very rapid dissemination of timely and significant experimental results in diverse fields of biological research.

Elsevier continues, "The practice of peer review is to ensure that good science is published. It is an objective process at the heart of good scholarly publishing and is carried out on all reputable scientific journals. Our Editorial Board therefore plays a vital role in maintaining the high standards of Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications while ensuring that it retains the speed of publication necessary for a rapid communication journal." Elsevier.com. Biochem. Biophys. Res. is currently indexed with the National Library of Medicine.

Drinking hypochlorites, present in most such waters, are in fact oxidizing agents?

Two entirely separate streams are produced at the same time, during water electrolysis. One is an alkaline antioxidant for drinking, and the other contains acidic oxidizing hypo chlorites, used for disinfections.

A typical water ionizer creates, 75% alkaline water and 25% acid water at the same time. Both waters have various properties, however, their respective uses could not be more different. The alkaline water is used as drinking water. Acidic water is used externally on the body, to water plants and to disinfect surfaces as a bactericide. The suggestion of drinking acid water is wrong.

Alkaline water is neutralized by stomach acid?

The alkaline tide phenomenon: When alkaline fluids are ingested, the stomach's parietal cells are capable of secreting high concentrations of hydrochloric acid. As a result, large amounts of bicarbonate is generated by carbonic anhydrase and must be removed from the cells to prevent alkalinization. The influx of bicarbonate into the blood after acid secretion can be detected and is known as the "alkaline tide." The health effects of acidosis and alkalosis are well documented.

"The pH of drinking water has zero effect on that of the blood or of the body's cells?

The human consumption of alkaline drinking water effected significant increases in both the blood and urine pH, 6.23 to 7.07 and 7.52 to 7.69, respectively, while showing a decrease in urine output from 2.51 to 2.05 liters per day.

A daily supplement of 596 mg of Ca through the consumption of 1 liter of High Calcium Mineral Water was able to lower serum PTH and the indices of bone turnover in postmenopausal women with a low Ca intake. High calcium mineral water could contribute to the repair of calcium deficiency and to the reduction of age-related bone loss in this population.

Dr. Apsely describes the health effects of "acid-base balance."

Why not just add baking soda and minerals to increase the pH and ORP of drinking water?

Having certain kinds of ionic minerals in water can be an affordable way to produce positive health effects. Minerals come in many forms, displaying a wide range of bioavailability.

Research suggests the transdermal migration of minerals through the skin.

pH and ORP:How does natural mineral water compared to "pure" water with added minerals?

This question requires continued exploration. Also, issues like synergistic mineral balancing, bio maker measuring, and individual requirements, need to be addressed. Ideally multiple measures of magnesium status including serum, erythrocyte, urine, dietary, ionized, and IV magnesium are measured.

Furthermore, how does the mineral bioavailability compare among these significant sources of minerals?

• Natural mineral waters
• Filtered water with added minerals
• Electrolyzed alkaline water
• Foods high in magnesium

For example, according to a study published in the 2010 edition of the Bio Medical Central Research Notes, "the consumption of spring water led to an increasing trend in parathyroid hormone concentrations (PTH) while the PTH concentrations remained stable with the intake of the spring water supplemented with magnesium bicarbonate.PMID:2057939 This agrees with research showing various mineral forms having various bioavailable effects.

Which mineral forms are best utilized?

Results provided by the Department of Environmental Medicine, Göteborg University, in Sweden, suggest that "minerals taken in water are significant for the body burden, and that an intake of mineral water among persons with a low urinary excretion of magnesium or calcium may decrease the blood pressure. Further studies should investigate the extent of mineral deficiency in different populations and the efficiency of different vehicles for supplying minerals, particularly magnesium and calcium." PMID:15571635

The benefits of mineral intake options can be debated, but the cost of intakes are more obvious.

1. Cost of minerals added to filtered drinking water, including mining impacts and shipping.

2. Cost of equipment, and electricity,concentratingminerals already present in the drinking water.*

* Some ionizing pre filters contain extra calcium, to insure effective electrolysis. The added cost of a water ionizer may be off-set by it's convenience of use. Also worth mentioning, are the folks making their own water ionizer's with inexpensive "off the shelf" parts.

3. Cost of owning, and pumping a well or spring, providing clean, naturally alkaline, electrically charged, drinking water.

Naturally occurring alkaline mineral water may be another example of how Mother Nature does not grant patents. However, mega corporations are actively working to takeover private ownership of community water rights around the world.

As water becomes more controlled and costly, other methods of water collection may gain favor, such as condensing and collecting water from ambient humidity in the atmosphere, however this requires an extra cost of energy. See: Atmospheric Water Generator.

Water structure and clustering is a myth?

See: Water Clusters - Structured Water Research

van der Waal Clusters

Equilibriums confirmed by Far infared VRT spectroscopy.

Trimer

Tetramer

Pentamer

"The cyclic water pentamer appears to be a fundamental structure in the hydration of biomolecules." - K. Liu, J. Cruzan, J. Saykally

We'll be adding more skeptical questions and answers to this discussion. Our hope is to get accurate answers from credible sources.

Has Water Always Been Acidic?

By Dr Greg Emerson

No. Water thousands of years ago was much different. Acid rain, increasing atmospheric CO2 and pollution has forever changed the quality and pH of our water. It should also be energised which means it is full of electrons the body can use in energy production. Natural spring water is negatively charged because of the electrons while acidic water is positively charged and therefore steals electrons from the body.

Water can also either be ‘hard’ or ‘soft’. Hard water has a high mineral content, soft water a low mineral content. Hard water lathers poorly with soap and can form mineral deposits on cooking utensils (from the calcium and mineral content). On the other hand, very soft water can corrode the metal water pipes it is carried in and therefore may contain elevated levels of cadmium, copper and lead. Soft water is harder to negatively charge in a water ioniser because of the lack of mineral content.

The electron activity of water is measured by the Oxidation Reduction Potential (ORP). Free radicals are oxygen atoms with an unpaired electron and are an unfortunate byproduct (like pollution) of cellular metabolism. They do actually have a role in the body however because they can be used to attack and destroy invading organisms. Problems arise when too many free radicals are formed- because they are unstable, they steal and electron from normal molecules- a damaging process known as oxidation. Disease can be prevented if we minimise this process. One way of doing this is to provide free electrons to the free radicals and preventing their need to react with normal tissue.

Drinking electron rich water is the easiest way of neutralising the free radicals. ORP is a measure of waters ability to donate electrons to neutralise free radicals. The lower the ORP, the more electrons there are to donate. The healthiest water has on ORP of between -150mV and -300mV which provides electrons to neutralise acids in the body. Most tap water measures around +500mV and therefore tends to acquire electrons (rather than donate them) and therefore oxidise tissue.

The other benefit of electron rich water is that it reduces the formation of putrefactive substances in the gut. When food in the gut (particularly animal proteins and sugars) undergoes putrefaction, toxic substances which give stool its unpleasant odour are formed including hydrogen sulfide, ammonia, histamines, indoles, phenols and scatoles. If these substances leak back into the blood stream, they cause disease. Hydrogen sulfide and ammonia can damage the liver, histamines contribute to allergic disorders such as eczema and asthma, indoles and phenols are carcinogenic. Drinking electron rich water results in a cleaner stool with no offensive smell.

So if we are trying to stay alkaline and one way to do that is to drink natural spring water, what are the drinks to avoid?

* Soft drinks- full of acidic sugar, phosphoric acid or acidic, cancer causing artificial sweeteners. They have a pH of about 3. Not very good when we are struggling to stay slightly alkaline! Phosphoric acid also leaches calcium from bones which contributes to osteoporosis. * Sports drinks- pH of about 2.9 * Soda water- contain carbonic acid which drops the pH to around 2.5 * Coffee and alcohol (both very acidic) * Fruit juices- all sugar without the fiber.

Other alkaline liquids that can be consumed include vegetable juices (no more than 1/4 carrot juice because of its high sugar content), coconut milk and fresh coconut water. Coconut water is also very high in potassium and other minerals.

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